Thu 14 Feb 2008
Seeking balance is also healthy…
Posted by The Unkle under Whatever
Hopefully you’ve watched zeitgeist by now. Hopefully you were ready for it.
But hopefully you took it with a grain of salt.
Since watching it (and many others like it), I’ve been doing some homework on the other side. I’ve read some debunking 9/11 Conspiracy sites, which are particularly numerous. Unfortunately, just as there are some nutjobs advocating that 9/11 was an “inside job”, there are some wackos arguing against it. Watch Penn and Teller’s Bullshit episode on conspiracy theories if you want a good laugh.
A few thoughts:
- First of all, there is absolutely nothing wrong with questioning the accounts of that terrible, terrible day. It is in no way unpatriotic or offensive to reconsider the evidence and wonder why there seem to be inconsistencies. For the families of those who lost loved ones in those attacks, an ongoing investigation is a good thing, and forcing ourselves to forget what happened isn’t healthy. Blind trust in government and police versions of events is what leads to corruption in the first place.
- To say that “there is no way that the CIA or Bush or whoever could kill 3000 of its own people” is simply ignorant defensiveness. Believe what you want based on the evidence and by reading the reports. Don’t try to convince yourself that, at any point, the US Government and its spy operations give a shit about human life. They don’t - the families of more than 3000 American soldiers can attest to that, and that’s only since 2003.
- Lastly, stop making this illogical argument: “If it was a conspiracy theory, numerous people must have known about it, so why hasn’t anyone come forward?” Bullshit. If, as far-fetched as it may seem, people were somehow able to pull off 9/11 and then convince us all that it was a bunch of Islamic terrorists in a cave, I’m pretty damn sure they can keep a few mouths shut.
All that being said, I’m not sure I believe 9/11 conspiracy theories. I love them, get entertained by them, and send links to my favourites to all my friends. It’s a great time and you should find a few and check ‘em out.
There are tons. 7/7: Mind the Gap is about the July 7th bombing in London.
Zeitgeist has whole sections on Pearl Harbor, the Gulf of Tonklin (which a few years ago was officially recognized as untrue, despite it being the spark that led to the Vietnam War), and others. The opening forty minutes or so are dedicated to debunking Christianity, claiming that it is nothing but an extension of pagan solar worship, evolving through Egyptian and other mythologies.
Still, it seems pretty ridiculous that the official version of 9/11 was completely fabricated. For a little sanity, try this excellent Popular Mechanics debunking of the conspiracies. Reading it after watching something like 9/11: Loose Change is pretty interesting, although there are some assumptions made on both sides. Showing a scrap of mangled white metal isn’t “proof” that it was a plane that hit the Pentagon. If it was a plane, why can’t they release the numerous surveillance videos of it?
Either way, the very fact that this debate exists is testament to the empowering abilities of the internet and the defiance with which people will defend their government even if, we hope, they have nothing to gain from it.
I love this stuff, and thanks in part to my oscillation between immersion and skepticism, I will continue to follow it with fervor.
(Oh, and finally, whether or not you think Bush engineered that stuff or not, you know he clapped his hands and did a little dance a few days later, because he had his reason to drop a whole lotta bombs.)
February 14th, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Dude,
Don’t get on the ‘net much as I’m still on the road but I’ll definitely check out the movie when I get some time.
I’m in New Zealand at the moment and found quite an interesting kiwi magazine you’d probably dig - website is here
February 16th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
read the actual commission report - it is compelling reading and carries the weight of truth - and lies.
February 29th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Was watching Zeitgeist with an Arab and was HOPING that Islam would get taken down along with Christianity and Judaism. It wasn’t. Weak.
Also, I really enjoyed the implication that Jews are the root of the world’s problems, starting with the system of international banking. Why not say it outright?
It was something to mull over, Zeitgeist. However, they could have edited some things. Do we really need to know that Christianity is predicated on a lie to sustain the argument that 9/11 is a lie? Not likely.
February 29th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
I’m a proponent of the theory that you try to debunk in your point #3: that if it was a conspiracy, where are the people stepping forward in disguise on 60 Minutes? I’ll quote you to make my point: “If…people were somehow able to pull off 9/11 and then convince us all that it was a bunch of Islamic terrorists in a cave, I’m pretty damn sure they can keep a few mouths shut.” EXACTLY. They wouldn’t have been able to pull it off.
February 29th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
What I found the most interesting and valuable aspect of the film was not any specific part - not the attempted destruction of Christianity, the 9/11 questions, the banking conspiracies - but rather the overall message.
There exists in the western world, the “free democracies” we value so highly, an unseen pattern of truth acceptance. Wherein we generally read news stories for what they are; take political movements for their face value; perceive things like communism, and totalitarianism as necessarily and fundamentally broken and useless.
We have convinced ourselves that, on an expansive level, the systems that our societies are organized into are not broken, but rather that there are simply some specific problems that if fixed would lead to a fulfilling and valuable existence.
I’m not advocating communism or dictatorship, I’m not saying democracy is broken and we should get rid of it.
But IT IS ESSENTIAL that people question their lives, existence, politics and societal organization on the deepest levels. That we zoom way, way, way out, and reconsider the forest as well as the trees.
Policy decisions are important, don’t get me wrong, but whoever said anarchy wasn’t totally cool?
Being able to question the system helps you understand it. Understanding it helps you fix it. If you accept it unconditionally, you’ll never understand why it works better than other systems.
If it takes biased, slanted, ridiculous (but amazing) films such as this to jaws-of-life people’s brains open, so be it.
March 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pm
propaganda as the path to enlightenment interesting, you may be on to something here
June 2nd, 2008 at 5:57 pm
sweeeeeeeeet!